@ipv.sx, just pulling this stuff out:
On the one hand, it’s generally not good form to both have an IETF working group and do new work elsewhere. On the other hand, it is good to keep the IETF group focused on its charter, and it’s fine to incubate stuff elsewhere until we have enough confidence to start nailing it down.
The community as a whole doesn’t have the resources to have standing at the IETF, so getting things worked out, adopted, and interoperably implemented outside is likely going to be the regular pattern.
When I say standing I mostly mean - time, money, resources to participate.
The pre-standards stuff has to happen somewhere.
Can you think of other examples or can you think about how things might be changing WRT to IETF patterns and timing of bringing things into the WG?